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Anthony's avatar

We are on the same wavelength bro. Literally was researching and digging deeper into the same topic today.

I hope people start doing their own research to and seeing how all of this connects.

Identity politics and abstraction wars are fucking killing us. There are the elite extractors and then the majority.

They don’t give a damn about your identity, but they sure as hell want us to care and fight about it. Distracts from the real harm.

Beckett Boggs's avatar

Don’t forget all the stories of a variety of archetypes buying up all the land so that nobody can own anything and anyone who owns the most wins

Beckett Boggs's avatar

they want to return the constitution to property owners only having voting rights, which is kind of dumb when the only people who can buy property are limited to red lining because then it’s not really a democracy or a free vote

Frank Morr's avatar

It still is but mostly we would have voters that are are more dedicated to private ownership of property which is rooted in the capitalist structure! You would never get an Kamala Harris for President.

Fredrik Persson's avatar

The political conclusion is what matters for "We The People". It is simply that less government = less centralisation is the most effective cure together with property rights and freedom of expression. "The Bill of Rights" is a good starting point. Decentralise and stop taxation (legalised theft)! As long as people refuse ta accept this simple remedy the revolutions will continue and the bad guys will continue to laugh, all the way to the bank..

Pamela Williams's avatar

Wow! YOU DO NOT GET IT! The wealthy HAVE no taxes! The wealthy control everything! We need a method that rebalances wealth and a strong, unified, fearless people that make those currently sleeping through this whole shit-show wake up and link arms! Not a fool who wants to take over this whole theme and re-direct the fear!

Martha Roberts's avatar

So! Once we discover who & what they are, what can we do? Not everyone has the info or means to Hop on the train…

Nadine's avatar

Excatly not 365 million USA people impossible …

Unfiltered 1's avatar

Where do you think this is gonna end?

Theyre provoking another civil war.

He will declare martial law before long.

Im surprised that he hasn't already.

He can't keep on pissing in us and tell us its raining

Coltrane Kitty's avatar

I don’t understand how they can allow such an incredibly senile sociopathic moron to be in charge even if it’s just figurative. He seems to be doing a hell of a lot of ugly shit on his own.

Though obviously the sociopathy fits right in.

RobsSister's avatar

He’s just the useful idiot front man for the larger enterprise.

Melissa J's avatar

My money is on neurosyphilis.

Lana Che's avatar

Reminds me of that darling phrase used in that early video game "Slaughter these villagers, my Lord?"

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Milret2's avatar

What does WEF stand for?

Milret2's avatar

Never mind, took me awhile but I figured it out .. World Economic Forum … established in the early 1970 or so.

Linda Z's avatar

Remember when the trumplicans were calling Democrats “the deep state “? Yeah.

Dr.FrancesScully's avatar

The World Economic Forum is held in Davos, and this tends to be extremely elitist.

However, many people are working to counter the elite and to blend earth science and social justice. I like the Earth 4 All approach.

The Lancet medical journal has a free planetary health edition.

This is free

https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/the-lancet-planetary-health

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World Economic Forum

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Donna Sinn's avatar

Specifically, what is your point???

Tony Broomfield's avatar

Not true or relevant. Webb is old enough to be my granddaughter.

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Lori's avatar

This also ties into the advanced technology race that the Military Industrial Complex has been carrying on.

This isn't a rabbit hole .... This is an underground tunnel that leads to the discovery of reality!

I cannot believe that this series you've done isn't being talked about everywhere. Thank you for breaking this down with references. Stay safe

Lynn Weed's avatar

would seem both are needed

Rachel @ This Woman Votes's avatar

Modern Power Concentration (1990s–Present)

Not a cabal, but something more banal and more dangerous. Here’s where the conspiracy addicts start vibrating, because the overlapping ownership of media, finance, and politics looks like a giant evil machine.

But the truth is almost insultingly ordinary:

-- BlackRock and Vanguard aren’t puppet masters. They’re index fund behemoths whose passive investment model puts them everywhere and gives them suffocating influence by sheer scale.

-- Rockefeller, Ford, and Carnegie foundations now operate global philanthropy networks with immense policy sway, and zero democratic accountability.

-- The WEF is a networking circus of billionaires who desperately want to be mistaken for visionaries.

No unified motive.

No world-eating design.

Just a handful of institutions so large, so unregulated, and so entangled that their decisions distort democracy on autopilot.

This isn’t a conspiracy.

This is structural oligarchy.

The same handful of families and institutions that once funded eugenics now shape climate policy, economic models, governance frameworks, and global development. The ideology has changed. The power problem has not.

THE ACTUAL THING THAT CONNECTS IT ALL

It’s not a “Bad Code” passed like a cursed heirloom; it’s something worse, a recurring pattern:

Power attracts men who believe they are entitled to decide who matters.

Institutions protect those men.

And every few decades, the same atrocities reappear with new branding.

-- Eugenics > scientific cruelty

-- Paperclip > moral compromise

-- MKUltra > secret experimentation

-- Epstein > elite exploitation

-- BlackRock/WEF > unaccountable concentration of influence

Not one conspiracy.

ONE CULTURE.

A culture of unpunished harm. A culture where the powerful are allowed to treat living people like raw material.

Why Does This Matter? Because once you understand it’s not a cabal, you see the real stakes.

You see why democracies fail.

You see why oversight collapses.

You see why the same crimes repeat.

Not because someone is controlling the world.

But because no one is stopping the people who can.

ChatterX's avatar

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

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The Key elements of the Imperialist Deep State are:

-Financial/Corporate Oligarchy (IMF/WEF/FED/Wall Street/TRANSNATIONAL Corporations),

-Western Intelligence services (The "Security State", look up "Five eyes"/"Trilateral Commission"),

-Military Industrial Complex (merged with NATO/Pentagon)

-Corporate Mass media/NGO networks/Academia "Think Tanks", supporting the veneer of "democracy".

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youtube.com/watch?v=2gaVtjKNWbY

youtube.com/watch?v=37tiZV4HHGk

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Merged together, they provide the Concentration of Capital, Power and Influence sufficient for the establishment of the Global monopoly/dominance (Imperialism).

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IBM founder Thomas Watson, argued that the covert operations should be run exclusively through PRIVATE agencies such as the major Anglo-American multinational corporations, banks, and law firms. It allows to evade FOI exposure (Freedom of Information by taxpayers, i.e. how the Gov spends their money..)

For example, IBM directly supplied the Nazis with technology which was used to help transport millions of people to their deaths in the concentration camps at Auschwitz and Treblinka:

youtu.be/lb082pTy-Nw?t=1000

Ross Perot’s company Electronic Data Systems performed data processing for the imperialist puppet Shah Of Iran

Same thing Blair is doing with Larry Ellison's Oracle today:

youtu.be/Q2k3BviEW1A?t=300

And the Same thing CIA is doing with Palantir.

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Blackwater. How the U.S. privatized WAR:

youtube.com/watch?v=Aycfr8Jcqb4

RSgva's avatar

I’m glad you raised the World War II financial connection. My understanding is that the US financial elites financed post World War I Germany, including rearmament before and after Hitler came into power, and were the main force opposing Roosevelt’s entry into the war on the side of Britain.

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American International Corporation-created in 1915. Rockefeller, Morgan, DuPont, and other Industrialists’ interests. 22 Directors, 120 Broadway US war contracts, shipbuilding, military equipment.

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Bernard Baruch, head of the War Industries Board during World War I. “Mr. Manhattan” during WWII. Unelected “Statesman” advisor to Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Eisenhower administrations.

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On August 3, 1933, Adolf Hitler received Sosthenes Behn (then the CEO of ITT) and his German representative, Henry Mann, in one of his first meetings with US businessmen

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Some of Hitler’s NY Wall Street financiers:

Dillon, Read & Co., Harris, Forbes & Co., National City Co., Speyer & Co., Lee, Higginson & Co., Guaranty Co. of N.Y., Kuhn, Loeb & Co., Equitable Trust Co.

Same exact DillonReed & Co. who financed Germany post 1918 took it over after 1945

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None of the banksters nor Directors of German subsidiary of General Electric, General Motors Directors, ITT, Ford, endless list of American Corporations were convicted at Nuremberg

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BTW Hitler had a lifesize picture of Henry Ford with him.

David Rovics had a good song about Ford:

"Ford built tanks for the Nazis

And the Nazis used those tanks

To gun down lots of soldiers

In the U.S. Army ranks"

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Rand Corporation created in 1946, funded by the Ford Foundation.

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John Foster Dulles, the U.S. Secretary of State (1888-1959) and older brother of Allen Dulles (fmr head of the OSS/CIA), financed the Bond sales for Nazis to rearm Germany after WW1.

After the Nazi Party came to power, Dulles expressed sympathies for Adolf Hitler, requiring his legal staff in Berlin to sign "Heil Hitler" on all of Sullivan & Cromwell's outgoing mail.

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The "Dulles Brothers" were Rockefeller's cousins, maternal side. Together they ran the largest law firm on Wall Street - "Sullivan & Cromwell".

Sullivan helped broker purchases for many Wall St. firms including Dillon Read and Brown Brothers Harriman that Prescott Bush was a partner at, Including German Nazi assets.

youtu.be/ylpX_dzuv1M?t=504

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How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power:

www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar?all=true

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Among his many positions of power, W. Averell Harriman was the United States Coordinator, European Recovery Program (Marshall Plan), 1948–50

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"The Marshall Plan… is not a philanthropic enterprise… It is based on our views of the requirements of American security"

-Allen Dulles, CIA director, 1949

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How The US Destroyed Europe (The Marshall plan):

youtube.com/watch?v=-Kvqe2iY0aU

RSgva's avatar

Yes, so let’s get the Washington DC airport name changed. Anything but Dulles!

ChatterX's avatar

They should put the Dulles bros. on Mt. Rushmore along with Heinz Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzeziński

ChatterX's avatar

And the same thing Tony Blair is doing with Larry Ellison's Oracle:

youtu.be/Q2k3BviEW1A?t=300

Sue Munda's avatar

Sorry, it’s just called Amsterdam

Paul Dixon's avatar

Oligarchs are as old as plato ! He wrote about them and anticipates them becoming dominant

ChatterX's avatar

"Wealth is addictive, the rich will eventually destroy society"

-Socrates and friends, about 2400 years ago

Paul Dixon's avatar

Rome died because; “The wealthy refused to pay for an army”.

And ; Refused to lead them into battle for Rome

German youths have refused conscription

British soldiers have refused to fight in Ukraine 15000 left

ChatterX's avatar

In fact, the Brits have officially confirmed their soldiers are in Ukr.

Kit Klarenberg of GrayZone confirmed that Britain in the first days after the start of the SMO developed a strategy to fight and draw as many NATO countries as possible into the conflict.

youtube.com/watch?v=7aTU_I7cc8w

thegrayzone.com/2024/11/16/uk-plot-keep-ukraine-fighting/

Most of the points have already been realized. London first forced Kiev to sabotage the Istanbul agreements and then ordered Zelensky to legislate against any negotiations with Moscow.

Created by the British Ministry of Defense Project "Alchemy" of UK Lieutenant General Charlie Stickland already in February-March 2022 developed operations on: undermining the Kerch Bridge, sabotage in Crimea, attacks on the Black Sea Fleet, high-profile propaganda provocations, sanctions, international tribunals, "grain deal", cyberattacks.

Keith Odom's avatar

Are you saying the Russians were right to invade Ukraine? And that Zelensky was wrong to defend his country? All of his country, not just the part the Russians didn't occupy yet? Do you believe Putin's ambitions didn't extend beyond Ukraine? Are you saying the Brits were wrong to try and maneuver the rest of NATO into stopping the Russians in Eastern Ukraine? Seems there are a lot of unstated assumptions in your argument.

Keith Odom's avatar

Plato missed the boat on that one. He should have payed more attention to Socrates. But then again, Socrates was executed by the political power structure, while Plato lived out a comfortable retirement. One challenged the power structure and one supported it.

Paul Dixon's avatar

I can’t say Socrates was either with or against the establishment.

Plato; was forthright with his views and drew the sons of the rich to him because he believed in logic.Thats what pissed them off.

I read his TRAIL TRANSCRIPT.

He thought that logic would triumph over ignorance and did not take advice.

This was undoubtedly the greatest tragedy, of the age.

He was trapped by the new demos, they picked 2 of the worst unpopular people and voted on banning them from the state.

I think we should do it.

Just think of the scum we could be rid of.

Tony Broomfield's avatar

A really important connection is the "Twinning" of the CFR in US and Chatham House in the UK. They are one and the same entity

ChatterX's avatar

British and US establishments are closely intertwined, they're basically one and the same

substack.com/@beeley/note/p-164625270

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Simply speaking, Brits are the wicked brain (Intelligence services/spy networks - colonial legacy) and the slush fund, and the U.S. is the brawn of the Global (Imperialist) Oligarchy.

youtube.com/watch?v=KaooeJzsRU8

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MI6 is part of "Five eyes".

Britain exerts influence through partial ownership of the FED. City of London is the headquarter of the global banking cartel. Besides, City of London basically runs all the main offshore funds.

AND It still runs Israel through the Pilgrim Society, Privy Council, RIAA, etc.

Keith Odom's avatar

I think he was referring to the Council on Foreign Relations. A think tank and networking institution. It would be the equivalent of Britains Chatham House, which also advises on foreign relations.

Val's avatar

“In the law of the United States, the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) is the codification of the general and permanent regulations promulgated by the executive departments and agencies of the federal government of the United States. The CFR is divided into 50 titles that represent broad areas subject to federal regulation.” (Clipped from Wikipedia)

Suzy Cue's avatar

Val - thank you. Too many acronyms everywhere!

HHK's avatar

Could it be the Council of Foreign Relations?

Val's avatar

CFR Code of Federal Regulations

Tony Broomfield's avatar

Indeed, The CFR is the Council on Foreign Relations, in this respect. We published a piece 5 years ago on the subject which serves as a primer

https://dangerousglobe.com/news/politics/taking-care-of-business/

Keith Odom's avatar

True enough. But there aren't any politicians at the national level who are going to challenge that. So... what to do???

Anon E. Mousse's avatar

There once was a long-running public television series exploring scientific and other topics called "Closer to Truth."

The title came to mind when reading the above post, as it strikes me as being closer to the truth of world domination operations than other explanations that I have come across.

I think there is a desire in our minds and hearts for a sort of explanatory monotheism, a single source of all the machinations of society that cause consternation, if not outright fear.

It may be that there is no Oz behind any curtain.

It may be that there are loosely affiliated entities that combine or disaffiliate at will to accrue power and resources.

Given that none of these may have any loyalty to any other, the capacity for havoc may expand exponentially.

Somehow it would be reasonable to expect that should a mastermind exist, he, she, or it would be identified by now.

But perhaps the mastermind is only within our mind. (Cue scary music.)

But if that is so, then it is worthy of our own examination, our own need for explanations.

This is not to suggest that these entities and individuals are benign.

To my mind, they are presumptively malignant until proven otherwise. (They always were in comic books, and I can think of few other comparable wisdom repositories.)

JamesHoward's avatar

The basic resource for all your answers since 1958:

The John Birch Society:

thenewamerican.com

JBS.ORG

Everything all you investigators are going at has all been right there at JBS. ALL OF IT.

Keith Odom's avatar

A thought: There are approximately 500 individuals who run international capitalism. They are in charge of several dozen organizations, both public and private, or both. So, some of them wanted to eliminate the points of friction between them. They decided it was because they were only loosely affiliated that those points of friction existed in the first place. Their solution was to cross invest in each other. Substantial investments. Enough that they were entitled to seats on each other's boards of directors. And creating a situation where they were mutually invested in each others success. Not a perfect solution maybe, but one that worked. Because I think you are right, there is no Mysterious and Unseen Mr. Big. There are several nodes of power staffed by people who were trained to be hyper-competitive with each other. Leading to lots of friction points and mutually counter productive behavior. You are also right that they don't have the general publics best interests at heart. They often promote our worse interests at heart. Or we are considered to be just resources to be used by them at their convenience. For their profit. Any bad consequences are for the general public to deal with. And the comic books really were a source of wisdom and moral clarity, weren't they?

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Exactly. There rarely is an organized conspiracy anywhere- just a convergence of interests, right place right time, right connections. And what happens works AS LONG as the interests are aligned. If control is captured by one party in that convergence- Assad, Hitler, etc, they can keep it. If they don’t, because everyone is out for themselves the interests don’t stay aligned and people have to be cut out (Hitler & the industrialist elites who put him there)

AnimalMotherAFNMFH's avatar

Ah yes Hitler, the ONE MAN who almost prevented the problem that we're all here discussing ... maybe not the best example

The world you live in was determined in Stalingrad. This is all a fait accompli.

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AnimalMotherAFNMFH's avatar

That was indeed the hinge point if you think about it.

Keith Odom's avatar

Stalingrad was the hinge point, true. But how was Hitler going to prevent our current problems. And if so, was his solution going to be any better? Or maybe way worse???

AnimalMotherAFNMFH's avatar

Hard to say, but what he said was going to happen to Europe has in fact happened to Europe.

Europe had to either become a superpower, or become subjugated to America and the Soviets.

Anna Lee Lipman's avatar

Indeed a coalition so to speak but yes a convergence of interests!!! The best way to describe it.

Lee Callister's avatar

I think Rachael version is more accurate. (Note that I am not a subscriber, just an observer)

Appalachian Khaganate's avatar

Emergent perverse incentives & a cultural normalization of boundary pushing.

Cloudyriver's avatar

I totally appreciate this very well explained strong counter opinion. As it seems more rational than the generational conspiracies voiced by the author - that might invite all sorts of paranoid socially destructive behaviors.

For Christians (even the real ones) Evil ie the Devil/Satan is the current ruler of this world post Adam/Eve. Evil is always present. So generic generational humanistic evil…rather than some post WWII decade after decade super organized uber wealthy plot to kill off various ‘sub’ populations does feel an unhealthy stretch.

But…That said…. I look at the narcissism of trump and how becoming potus has melded into hyper dangerous elitist authoritarianism…. And I wonder…. Is trump just some annoying wannabe rogue player? That the Rockefeller, Carnegies, etc are allowing his brand of chaotic smoke and mirrors because he’s such a half wit - So they aren’t concerned?

Or is there actually something to the whole organized elitist eugenics, et al group and the theory presented by the author today?

Either way… As a fatalist, I tend toward the final question of: ‘So what?’ Because, what can actually be done by the peon fodder humans reading these researched papers or opinions to stop these elitist agendas anyway?’

We only have one life to live. The terror and stress associated with any element of confrontational thought or behaviors is real. So, as one of the fodders; why not just ‘head in the sand’ it - and avoid becoming a target?

Isn’t that what the entire Republican Party is doing?

No one on any social media site ever answers my simple question of ‘what can be done?’ Showing up by the thousands or millions to peacefully protest is just another frustrating waste of time.

And finally, according to you (and my own fatalism) - Any protest is simply an exercise in futility that may or may not stave off the evil…but only for a moment in time.

Rachel @ This Woman Votes's avatar

This is a thoughtful, honest question, and I want to start there. You are not wrong to be suspicious of grand, all-explaining conspiracy frameworks. Those stories often function like theology. They replace uncertainty with certainty, and fear with fatalism, and they end up doing the work of power by exhausting the people who believe them.

You are also not wrong that evil does not require a secret cabal. Systems produce harm all by themselves once incentives, narcissism, and power align. Trump does not need to be “allowed” by some immortal bloodline. He is a familiar type. A weak man whose hunger for adoration collided with fragile institutions and an information ecosystem that rewards chaos. That combination is enough.

Here is the part that matters most, and where I gently push back on fatalism.

Power does not require total control to win. It only needs enough silence, enough withdrawal, enough people deciding that opting out is safer than opting in. “Head in the sand” feels protective, but it is actually the posture that power relies on. Not because dissent always wins, but because non-participation guarantees loss.

What can be done is not heroic or cinematic. It is boring, local, relational, and cumulative. It looks like refusing lies in small rooms, supporting people instead of movements. Building parallel structures of care, labor, and accountability that do not collapse when national politics rot. Authoritarianism feeds on isolation and despair. It starves on connection and persistence.

You are right that protest alone is not enough. Protest without follow-through is theater. But protest plus mutual aid, plus labor action, plus voting, plus institutional sabotage of bad actors, plus refusing to normalize cruelty is not futile. It is slow. Slow does not mean meaningless.

Evil may always be present. That does not make resistance pointless. It makes it necessary. Not to win forever, but to make life livable now.

That is not false hope. That is maintenance.

And maintenance is how civilizations survive.

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Thank you for your ‘gentle pushback’. You are right. And likely I was having a moment. This trump Antichrist can be so emotionally frightening and exhausting for someone my age. At that point in time, Democrats were saying ‘omg’ but very few were doing anything!

I am a person (like so many others) who grew up with abuse - so fatalism doesn’t seem like a cop out- more it seems like acceptance is the smartest move when feeling so helpless.

But you and the originator of this thread and many others are absolutely right - evil can only thrive if we let it grow unchecked.

I had to remind myself and pull up my bootstraps… that when the same trumpet/maga/ICE people/groups push backed against wearing masks to protect their neighbors…by claiming some self serving constitutional BS - I wore a mask during and after Covid. And I was one of the first to get the vaccines as well - even while being criticized.

Was I scared? Absolutely.

After all, In my then 60+ years I had never experienced a world wide pandemic let alone one born from viral experimentation. An unknown.

But I didn’t allow my internal fear dictate my outward actions to protect other lives (while protecting my own as well). There is always risk in everyday life. But as a born again Jesus follower - how could I claim the faith and behave like those only concerned with themselves. Or worse, anti-vaxers who wanted to deny elderly or others a choice?

So, I will thank you and others again for ‘gently’ reminding me to Not ‘put my head in the sand’. Not to embrace hopelessly fatalism - when as you say and remind, ‘Doing nothing guarantees defeat’. Whereas, Doing something at least lends hope and validates my claims of being a Christian.

Take care - and keep sharing ideas!

Rachel @ This Woman Votes's avatar

At 57, I feel every word!! When someone has lived through abuse, acceptance is not apathy. It is a survival skill. Knowing when to conserve energy is wisdom, not failure.

You are also right about fear. This moment is frightening, especially when institutions hesitate and the noise is loud. Exhaustion is not accidental. It is how pressure works. When people are tired, they mistake withdrawal for safety.

What you reminded yourself of, though, matters. You have already practiced courage that was quiet, costly, and real. Masking. Vaccinating. Choosing care over comfort when the outcome was uncertain and the criticism was loud. That was not performative resistance. It was moral consistency.

Faith that only speaks when it is safe is not faith. You understood that then, and you understand it now. Doing something does not require heroics. It requires staying oriented to care, even when fear is present.

Thank you for staying in the conversation. Thank you for naming both the fear and the resolve. That combination is what actually keeps harm from growing unchecked.

Take good care. And keep trusting your compass.

Michael Haupt's avatar

If I may pick up on this and your previous explanatory posts, which I reached via Ethan's original series of posts.

In my study of collapsology (historical records of how 26 documented empires have fallen), an undeniable pattern emerged: the concentration of an elite class. The conclusion I came to (supported by the work done by Donella Meadows) is that "the system determines behavior."

In other words, there isn't a scheming elite class or an evil cabal or some deity conducting a battle between good and evil. It's simply a certain type of person that understands how the system works and then modifies their behavior to exploit the system. It's what happens in all class-based societies. It starts with division of labor and then progresses all the way through to the 1% and eventually the 0.0001%. The process takes 200-500 years and progresses through 7 well-defined phases.

If we take the start of the current Cycle of Empire (the first time it's a globalized empire) as 1648 (Peace of Westphalia), we are 378 years into the cycle and, depending on which country you're in, you're likely in Phase 5, 6, or 7 of the process. By which I mean that the behavior of certain individuals is entirely predictable with a solid enough understanding of how the process has repeated before.

The point about all of this is that the hubris of the elite class eventually causes their demise. This happens without fail. Every single class-based empire has imploded. But that does not mean the end of humanity. A remnant always pick up the pieces and birth something better.

“Only a crisis—actual or perceived—produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable.” - Milton Friedman, 1982 - as quoted in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine.

Rachel @ This Woman Votes's avatar

I agree with your core premise and with Meadows: systems shape behavior far more reliably than intent, morality, or ideology. You don’t need an evil cabal when the incentive structure reliably selects for the same kinds of actors and rewards the same extractive strategies over centuries.

BUT, what we’re experiencing now isn’t just late-stage elite concentration, it’s the weaponization of cognition itself inside a globalized system. Past empires collapsed through materia/resource strain, elite overreach, and loss of legitimacy. This one is collapsing through epistemic degradation at scale. Shared reality, trust, and meaning-making have become contested terrain.

The behavior is predictable, the phases repeat, and hubris does its work. But the novelty of this cycle is informational. When perception, identity, and narrative become primary resources, the system doesn’t just concentrate wealth, it destabilizes how people know what’s real.

That doesn’t negate historical cycles. It explains why this one feels so disorienting from the inside.

And I agree on the last point entirely: what survives depends on which ideas are kept alive before the crisis makes them inevitable.

Michael Haupt's avatar

Great, I believe we're on the same page.

To build on the undermining of "perception, identity, and narrative," I view this as an entrepreneurial opportunity, which I call Vibe Framing: the ability to construct worldviews (mental frames) with the assistance of today's technologies.

I argue that entrepreneurship has evolved through increasingly abstract domains: from place-based physical production to increasingly abstract activities operating in global and digital spaces. I summarize it as follows:

1. Farmers emerged in the Neolithic Revolution, 12,000 years ago. Domain = soil/no abstraction 

2. Forgers emerged in the Industrial Revolution, 1760-1830. Domain = factory/low abstraction 

3. Founders emerged in the Digital Revolution, which started in 1950s-1970s and continues to today. Domain = computer/medium abstraction

4. Framers emerged in the Noospheric Revolution, 1960s to present. Domain = consciousness itself with high abstraction.

In other words, Framers are the next entrepreneurs to profit from the inevitable collapse as a result of the overreach in the weaponization of cognition itself.

Cloudyriver's avatar

Are the technological advances and exponential change and growth factored into the claim of inevitable historical authoritarian elites collapsing?

Rachel @ This Woman Votes's avatar

Absolutely, but unevenly… Technology accelerates the cycle and raises system “heat,” yet collapse still follows when feedback fails and impunity concentrates-like it is doing now. Speed changes timing and scale, but rarely the underlying dynamics of breakdown.

Throughout history the pattern repeats, anytime acceleration outruns accountability.

The late Roman Empire used advanced logistics, roads, and bureaucracy to scale power. Those very same systems concentrated extraction and weakened feedback. The machine kept running after legitimacy thinned.

Gutenberg and his printing press. It massively increased information throughput, broke the Church’s monopoly on narrative, and destabilized shared reality across Europe. What followed was not immediate enlightenment, but fragmentation, propaganda, and the Protestant Reformation, along with a century of religious wars.

More recently; the Weimar Republic adopted modern media and financial systems at speed. Hyperinflation and propaganda saturated the field faster than institutions could stabilize it, creating conditions for authoritarian consolidation.

And let’s not skip how the Soviet Union collapse industrialized control and information management. When internal signals stopped being trusted, the system lost coherence quickly despite its scale and technical capacity.

The pattern holds: New technology expands who can produce “truth.” Institutions fail to adapt fast enough. Conflict rises until new legitimacy structures form.

Acceleration doesn’t prevent collapse. It changes how chaotic the transition feels, what is happening now will absolutely collapse.

Paul Dixon's avatar

Great post 👍 I think Hannah Ardent answers this; all this chaos is just a revolution in the making and like previous generations ends in violence against the elite who have their heads removed 🙌

Paul Dixon's avatar

You are saying; “

We are all powerless;”

And just put our heads in the sand.

This,” war with the rich”; had run before in France 1793; the masses marched against them, and chopped thier heads off. End of them.

The English 1667? Glorious revolution chopped the kings head off.

So, no it’s not the end; only the beginning of the GAME.

Nice read though 😎

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Cloudyriver's avatar

I read each

I came away believing your article points to a more intentional organized human evil

As opposed to her idea of a pre-existing organic evil.

Both are related and relevant

in my opinion

MarcusBierce's avatar

Thank you for this synthesis, and Ethan Faulkner’s post! IMO The two of you together have hit the nail on the head.

What I’ve been observing for years since covid now is the existence of a “predatory class,” a literal tribe of oligarchs. Call it structural Oligarcy, call it a cabal, to me it’s largely the same thing in practice, with all the built in mechanisms of tribal behavior: in-group benevolence, out-group ambivalence/malevolence.

There are tells, indicators, of this tribe, one being the Dunbar number, which claims humans function most coherently in groups from 150-500 max.

Think Committee of 300. Why that number? Because it’s “natural.” It’s built into human interaction. It’s the closest thing we have to the root structure of human existence.

Not the individual, not the nuclear family, not nation states, and not religions: it’s TRIBE.

The Oligarchs have made a tribe of their own. And they have “tech” tools beyond what most of the masses understand to orchestrate their domination of the rest of us.

Thanks to you both for your work.

Rachel @ This Woman Votes's avatar

Not to drag you into a rather unsettling rabbit hole, but I cover, in excruciating detail, two different aspects related to your comment.

1. Post-state Sovereigns: https://twvme.substack.com/p/the-post-state-sovereign-is-real

2. Identity Fusion: https://twvme.substack.com/p/why-the-right-fuses-and-the-left

MarcusBierce's avatar

I appreciate the links! I will check them out.

Keith Odom's avatar

Please tell me some of your information resources. I need to expand my info base.

MarcusBierce's avatar

Anything you can get on the FED, the global banking cartel, the history of BIS, the UN, WEF, and WHO.

Eustace Mullins

Coleman’s Committee of 300

Frances Leader’s work on the Black Nobility here on substack, and her sources.

The Trilateral Commision.

Bohemian Grove

Bilderberg Group

MarcusBierce's avatar

My own brain, from observing history and human behavior.

Humans in power are not benevolent nor competent. They are indeed good at accruing power though.

Jameswantsthetruth's avatar

SHARP Breakdown. Eye opening! Thanks for this addition ✊

Cloudyriver's avatar

Hear! Hear! Step by step small reward processes historically do work. I’m almost embracing the isolation of activism over lethargy again!

Lynne M's avatar

As a frequent global traveller, I was always taken aback that international lBM HQs looked nothing like the standard architecture of other US corp digs. Fewer windows, bigger walls, more

intimidating gates. The three interchangeable letters. The marriage of Big Blue and the Spook Shop was so apparent it was almost laughable. Almost.

Paul Dixon's avatar

The cia is a privatised company system and its banks; shipping companies;lawyers

Paul Dixon's avatar

You should see the huge Eagle on the front of the embassy in Myanmar ; it’s like 2 fingers up to the locals

Patricia's avatar

UNTIL:

It ALL falls :

DOWN

That’s when the fun begins !

Climate change doth make cowards of us all.

They operate as the old landed masters of nobility did for millennia. Believing they were in place by “divine right”. Then they became the authors of their own downfall. So shall it be with “Tech Bros Billionaires”.

Their fall will be swift and terrible to watch.

I will in the corner, knitting them into my shawl like a 21 st Century Madame DeFarge!👏😉😏😒😡.

Jughead069's avatar

The big elaborate picture is painted like a sweeping metaphor. What we can see and identify clearly in the real and now is gross greed, manipulation, cruelty, and oppressive control. Thank you modern Internet. See. Investigate. Gather information and share with others. Long, long ago...sharing such details of crime were difficult to record and distribute. Not long ago, it wasn't all that hard but was only possible at kind of a walking pace. Then worldwide telephones. Now the amazing Internet. It is so much harder for Elite crime to hide or shift before it is exposed and shared by all. It is time to refute their lies and cruelty. See. Investigate. Share. Love to all and a better tomorrow. Thank you.

Stephanie Gibbs Dunlap's avatar

Needs to be SHARED, everywhere 💯🤨

Arlene F Thomas's avatar

I can't get over just how many people haven't figured out it's not democrats •vs• republicans!

They all... Work together behind the scenes! What they show us, is a Huge, cover-up! Don't say your awake to the facade, when your still going oh, repubs n demos......🤪

Linda Hill's avatar

Rachel I want more of your ideas and observations! Thank you for your comment!

Tra Ders's avatar

Humanity needs people like you to unearth, make sense of and present this information to those who are not brain dead. Could have spontaneous uprising, course correction, offering alternative Humanist Reset where billionaires will own nothing and be happy and subscribed to billionaires ONLY, biometric ID, CBDC, forced shots, subjected to restricted speech and limited freedoms to help control their various forms of insanity.

Tra Ders's avatar

Basically we have a bad case of the tail and ass trying to wag the dog. I personally find it repulsive on how uninformed and UN-insightful they are pontificating on subjects they are completely unqualified. Gates is obvious effective in building a software company. He is bone chilling stupid as a discarded old rusty nail on all other subjects. A first year medical student from a non-American medical school would reduce Mr Gates to a shuddering idiot. Imagine, he was and is clued out about natural immunity, that his own vaccine was not effective and not safe, that the virus did not come from a wet market because there were no intermediate hosts, that his vaccine was not a “vaccine” but, by definition, a “Genetically Modified Organism, he didn’t know masks couldn’t work, he didn’t know his vaccines caused sudden death, myocarditis, large clots, turbo cancer, he didn’t know he has murdered and crippled at least 100,000,000 humans and sterilized countless more, he isn’t know the entire basis for his performance of stupidity was global warming, which recently he had to admit publicly he was stupid. This is the same guy, unelected, wants to run the world with hue equally under-informed partners in mass murder, genocide and crimes against humanity. Am I the only person that listens to him speak and has an allergic reaction to his ignorance on any subject he opens his mouth on? Can you imagine what Larry Fink sounds like? Von Leyen?, Macron, Starmer, Carney, etc etc

Renate's avatar

It’s best to watch Bill ‘the philanthropist’ Gates’ body language. He squirms with every lie. So he squirms a lot.

Why physicians in the US accepted him as an expert on public health evades me. Being super rich immediately results in genuflecting by most people; one of the core problems of US culture.

Vaxless's avatar

If I understand you correctly and with all due respect you state that Gates is ignorant. I have not the slightest doubt that he is acutely aware and knowledgeable of his actions and thus his evil. I believe his soul should rot in hell for all the death, suffering and misery he has caused and, though it will never happen, wish that justice would throw his miserable self in jail for his actions. You also state that a first year medical student could enlighten him ! In my opinion the overwhelming majority of medical graduates in the US are quite ignorant themselves of how TRUE health ís brought about. These same medical “experts” overwhelmingly continue to push Covid vaccines for one of three reasons : ignorance, cowardice or corruption. The courageous minority of doctors that do speak out have their medical licenses removed by the pharma captured medical establishement. Lastly (we are a family of doctors in Europe) we have found that European (though ever less so), Asían and African medical students have a much broader and hollistic approach to medicine than in the US and Europe where they are trained more as drug prescribers. Life expectancy in the US is some 8 years shorter than in Europe and falling.

Renate's avatar

His lying indicates that he knows what’s going on and actually helped plan it.

The critique of US and other nations’ doctors refers to their willingness to accept any rich/famous person as an expert as long as they appear on TV enough.

That criticism applies whether Gates is a liar and criminal, or not. Most doctors were hoodwinked, some were complicit. By now, they should all be in the know, with so much evidence about Covid fraud and deception, from its viral origin to Remdesivir deaths and mRNA deadly ‘side effects.’

Jean and Joan & Who Knows Who's avatar

Now they are all united with Artificial Intelligence Technology.

Companies defer to computer coding that will determine how we act. AI is the ultimate oligarch. The trillion dollar companies will determine our future. Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Meta, Nividia are given extra power by the orange goon’s Wonderful Tax Bill that’s why they grovel at his feet. And he is supported by Congress and the Supreme Court.

Our only recourse is to protest and march! Get out and let your voice be heard.

Citizens United needs to be repealed. Corporations are not people.

The Mocha Unicorn's avatar

.... and he doesn't even give a shit! For him and his ilk, it's all about money and control! I've had quite the challenge for YEARS convincing some around me that Gates is a truly despicable person.

MakalekaAnne's avatar

And let them eat bugs and Gates meat!

Jacqueline Marie's avatar

This is extremely disturbing, but -somehow-not entirely surprising. Anyone who has studied any history at all, knows that there has always been those who decided that they were superior to others & sought to eliminate (or enslave) those who they deemed 'inferior'. Sadly, for all of our supposed 'enlightenment', that perspective has remained. Only the technology has changed. Our only hope is to keep exposing the abusers (regardless of wealth or influence), write laws to protect people & Enforce them, & try to educate people, encourage unity regardless of differences, keep the wolves at bay.

D L May's avatar

Problems include gerrymandering and dark money keep the same old stuff going but now zi understand a bit more why and why the same old wealthy names keep coming back up in new technology and why bad guy perpetrators were also fellows who have come from those in power and protected by the CIA and FBI including Trump who is a bad guy as was Epstein but his GF Ghislaine’s daddy Robert Maxwell was the plant that was threaded through many countries including Russia, Israel, UK, USA to name a few. It was not by chance that Epstein connected with Ghislaine, nor that Trump connected with Epstein, the Tump and Alan Dershowitz connection, to name a few. The connection is the unfair money getting continues to grow yet decency does not

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D L May's avatar

And Musk grandparents connection with embracing Hitler and now Musk with Trump. And how tech embraced by military but even more how it embraced by CIA.

D L May's avatar

That doors just keep opening for select few- and bad guys never held accountable - now understandable what the threads are about.

D L May's avatar

And Musk grandparents connection with embracing Hitler and now Musk with Trump. And how tech embraced by military but even more how it embraced by CIA.

D L May's avatar

AI being forced on Americans many do not want it. Is too costly, China has it sewn up already and is less costly. It is being pushed on us not because it is ready, regulated or has any ethics threaded through it but being done to save the financial backs of Tech and giving corporations something to blame to cut employees and make more money for them selves. This is a time that the norms of Teddy Roosevelt need to be reinstated. Tax the rich, build in regulations so that the wealthier of the wealthy do not destroy the United Stated of America. Amazes me that so many wealthy do not given and take in balance, do not know the difference between right and wrong and operate by it, are not honest with themselves or others, and go through life willing to just hurt anyone if it entails bettering themselves. -WE MUST STOP THIS. this is why America was started- people did not want to be serfs and slaves to a few- look at Hungary; at Russia; Lombard how Trump willing to stop health care for all, let elderly die in streets instead of Medicaid funding after their savings depleted. lol how Trump taking tax money for Jan 6 crooks, how he is not doing anything for betterment of regular Americans, how trying to take women back to stats before suffrage, how corporations want people to work for 10 hr days at wages of 7.25 and corporations laying off people saying it id AI when they are using useless AI as an excuse to not pay workers decent wage and benefits. This is a time of war of race nor gender but purely of wealthy vs those who will be impoverished forever. Everyone hates AI yet it is being pushed on people to allow corporations to lay off thousands of people.

Dawn RW's avatar

God bless you for doing all this research and putting it together. I’ve read pieces and parts here and there but seeing it all connected is sobering. This is big stuff. World changing stuff- dangerous. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Thank you.

Dr.FrancesScully's avatar

I agree until we arrive at Planetary Boundaries. I do not see that the many earth and social scientists who support Earth 4 ALL favour oligarchy and massive inequality. The first of their 5 pivotal steps is to 1 Address poverty and massive inequality (for sure, this is not easy and requires serious effort, pilot studies, and constant reevaluations). Earth 4 All recommends that this be regional and tailored for each community. 2 Improving gender parity. 3 Healthy and ethical food production. 4. Addressing transportation and 5 Energy needs. All these ideas require constant discussion and reevaluation, along with various safeguards. Nothing is perfect, and transparency, etc, are essential and a choice. I know there are all kinds of fraud and greenwashing among "philanthropists." I think ESGs are not ideal. Some of what Bill McKibben writes about in the crucial years is of interest. I think exploring indigenous ideas may help with many modern dilemmas. I agree that real corruption and cruelty are happening because of TRUMP and other criminals. Trying to be open and engage with others without either becoming cynical or being naive is not easy. Certainly, I agree about Operation Paperclip and that Thiel and Musk are bizarre Nazi loving white supremacists. Oh what a mess. .... Thanks for your work.

Valerieann Kiser's avatar

I have a problem connecting the sex trafficking of little girls being involved in any of this. Especially to make the white race more superior. They seem like to totally separate things to me. Both disgusting.

Frances Leader's avatar

The young girls were honey traps for the targeted. Once the evidence was on film the target became obedient to the system FOR LIFE.

Andrea's avatar

Trump uses pardons for felons as a way of making lifelong allies who will owe him or whomever comes after him until they die and maybe beyond the grave by family who want to protect their name

J Mac's avatar

The trafficking was done to tempt and lock in politicians, businessmen, etc. who were threatened with blackmail. The trafficking was related to money laundering. Epstein bought a ranch in N Mexico with weird zoning (approved by Bill Richardson) that the government couldn’t enter his “compound”. He had recruited a bunch of blonde haired blue eyed young girls to have white “Nazi approved” kids. No one talks much about this. Epstein was involved in global deal making.

Art's avatar

A lot worse than this. The children, girls and boys, were a necessary means to an end.

MarcusBierce's avatar

They are MK Ultra’d, a psychically controlled human army. In the piece above, the author mentions it.

Early sexual abuse breaks the individual mind, making it ripe for future exploitation.

Michèle Breton's avatar

I'm Canadian, but I have followed the news for a long time. I found this article highly informative and interesting. Very well written! ✨️

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Thanks for restacking my comment! 🙋‍♀️

Stephanie Gibbs Dunlap's avatar

On the Nose! TWV, most important information.

More than half of Americans have been throughly brainwashed by Fox LIES! <- a billion dollar lawsuit proved this, Rupert payed it off, before it went to court, included in the lawsuit, Fox was not allowed to call their “show” News. Yet they continue to do so, and consistently LIE! About politics, manipulating viewers to vote against their own, and America’s best interests, they did this to my father, he became addicted to Fox, watched every day, was like a football game to him, cheering and yelling, even screaming about Dems destroying America! Telling me to “pay attention to the truth.” Fox LIES! Has destroyed friendships, and families, with hate! End Fox and their copycats, and bring Americans back together, where we must be! In times like this.

Lauri Maniccia's avatar

I firmly believe, if there has been a way, from the 70's right up until the early 2000's, we had managed to make all televisions , spontaneously self destruct, becoming unfixable, that the ability to mind control entire populations would have hit a major road block. Zappa most definitely had it right. The Slime oozing out of your TV set, is and was a dangerous tool. Ban the idiot box. And no where is this more obvious than the "news"!

Frank Zappa (1972)

I am gross and perverted

I'm obsessed and deranged

I have existed for years

But very little has changed

I'm the tool of the government

And industry, too

For I am destined to rule

And regulate you

I may be vile and pernisious

But you can't look away

I make you think I'm delicious

With the stuff that I say

I'm the best you can get

Have you guessed me yet?

I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set!

You will obey me while I lead you

Eat the garbage that I feed you

Until the day that we don't need you

Don't run for help, no one will heed you

Your mind is totally controlled

It has been stuffed into my mold

And you will do as you are told

Until the rights to you are sold

That's right folks, didn't touch that dial!

(Background singers)

I am the slime from your video

Oozing along on your living room floor

I am the slime from your video

Can't stop the slime

People look at me go

(Some excellent riffs from one of our most underrated guitarists and a prophetic genious.)

Jameswantsthetruth's avatar

✊Keep shining light 💡 on these pariahs ✊

Jonathan Herbert's avatar

HOW THEY DID WHAT THEY DID

Virulent racism never died. Slavery has merely been transmuted and repackaged.

Every survivor and supporter of the Confederacy, focused on recapturing escapees.

The mission continues, focused and fervent.

The Gilded Age further fed gluttony and greed.

Genocide in support of industrialization, of egregious wealth.

Joe Hill murdered. Huey Long murdered.

The Business Plot, the corporate coup attempt against FDR.

Nazis imported to America.

Operation Paperclip'

Rocket scientists

Behavioral psychologists

Propaganda specialists.

To build engines of death, the machinery of oppression.

Oppenheimer and the bomb.

McCarthyism. Black Lists.

Sharpening the shiv to slip into the heart of love.

The Powell Memo — explicit blueprint for corporate capture of institutions.

The FBI, the CIA engaged in a war, murdering Black Panthers.

COINTELPRO's expansion to American Indian Movement, anti-war activists.

Reagan begins the assault on intellect, the hollowing out the foundations of education.

Citizens United as the legal codification of plutocracy.

Cambridge Analytica as beta test for mass psychological manipulation.

Heritage Foundation

Project 2025

And today. The Surveillance State.

Every American identity fed into Musks supercomputer.

Ground through the algorithms of Palantir.

All hail the Dark Enlightenment.

Dr.Don Hall's avatar

Finally, Ethan has connected the dots put a face on “THEY” and this takes guts! Ep Files will therefore never see light of day. PREP and Pat Acts will never go away. And DJT / Bobby will go down as MAGA back stabbing betrayers of the entire world.

Dr.Don Hall's avatar

legal conditions in which all governing power in the United States could be automatically transferred from the citizens and the three Constitutional branches into the two hands of the Health and Human Services Secretary, effective at the moment the HHS Secretary himself declared a public health emergency, legally transforming free citizens into enslaved subjects.

John's avatar

Rome wasn’t unbuilt in a day, Don… 🤷‍♂️

Dr.Don Hall's avatar

under the "Case Study" heading, the EUA Program appears authorized the HHS Secretary, at his or her sole discretion, to knowingly and deliberately suspend ordinary federal drug safety regulation's for the duration of any "public health emergency determined and extended by the HHS Secretary at his or her sole discretion …

John's avatar

Baby steps are sometimes the only way to progress through a minefield… ☺️

Dr.Don Hall's avatar

Yes. Once You Realize He has Power to Single Sign Away the PREP.

Bill Warner's avatar

This all makes a lot of sense. I'm intrigued to say the least. You're right that it's not right or left. One of many reasons I'm Independent. I'm going to restack and share as much as I'm able. This is pretty awesome. Thank you!

Anna's avatar

Well damn, a whole lot going on and on and on. I’m tired. Been outta loop since mom in hosp and wasting time listening to horizontal back and forth from hosp to home. But glad to catch up. Weaving the stories you spider man you. Thx.

Jennifer Hoffman's avatar

Another aspect of this eugenics movement , which began long before WW2, is JD Rockefeller and his radio wave experiments in the early 1900s.

Do you know that he created sickle cell anemia in order to decimate black populations , which he deemed inferior.

And isn't it interesting that interracial marriages were illegal for decades.

That's because sickle cell anemia is not passed on to mixed race children as effectively.

It's time to end it and it's architects and perpetrators.

Md Lokman Hossain's avatar

Okay, thanks to you, I will always have a soft corner.